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  • Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

    Hey guys,

    I just read this article from Semiaccurate, which says that Origin is getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD graphics cards, and wanted to know what the Origin-PC community thinks about this. For those who don't know Semiaccurate, it is a very (or pretty much the only) reliable source for semiconductor news.

    Here is the article, I think its worth the read:

    http://semiaccurate.com/2013/10/05/m...n-pc-drop-amd/
    Last edited by Willyfisch; 10-05-2013, 11:17 PM.

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    Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

    Originally posted by Willyfisch View Post
    Hey guys,

    I just read this article from Semiaccurate, which says that Origin is getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD graphics cards, and wanted to know what the Origin-PC community thinks about this. For those who don't know Semiaccurate, it is a very (or pretty much the only) reliable source for semiconductor news.

    Here is the article, I think its worth the read:

    http://semiaccurate.com/2013/10/05/m...n-pc-drop-amd/
    Reads like the technological version of national inquirer. Good stuff.

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    • #3
      Breaking News!!! OriginPC drops AMD.

      Story HERE!


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        Re: Breaking News!!! OriginPC drops AMD.

        Years ago, I used exclusively ATI cards but I haven't had one since the X850XT PE. It's been Nvidia ever since, but I still believe AMD offers some great GPUs that give Nvidia a run for their money. I think I would understand this more if Origin had dropped AMD's CPUs. Yes, they are much less expensive but Intel has been running circles around them for years.
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          Re: Breaking News!!! OriginPC drops AMD.

          How much did Nvidia pay Origin PC to drop AMD? | SemiAccurate

          Long story short Kevin took a lot of money from nvidia to stop selling amd gpus and nvidia is retaliating for amd scooping up all the console contracts and are shitting bricks because everyone knows the Hawaii line is going to totally undercut the titan and gx series.

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            Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

            What's behind Origin PC's decision to so publicly dump AMD video cards? | PCWorld

            Here's a more reliable source then. To be honest if people want amd origin should offer them.
            The timing of this announcement and the fact that they even made announcement in the first place is what makes this suspicious. AMD isn't that bad where the ceo needs to go out of his way to bad mouth AMD and drop support entirely.

            This all stems from the fact that the gtx series and more specifically the titan is about to be severely undercut by amd. Also since nvidia is being locked out of gaming consoles they won't have any synergies with games or be able to broker exclusive deals like before.

            Long story short origin received payola and nvidia is a sore loser

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              Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

              Originally posted by Kagema View Post
              What's behind Origin PC's decision to so publicly dump AMD video cards? | PCWorld

              Here's a more reliable source then. To be honest if people want amd origin should offer them.
              The timing of this announcement and the fact that they even made announcement in the first place is what makes this suspicious. AMD isn't that bad where the ceo needs to go out of his way to bad mouth AMD and drop support entirely.

              This all stems from the fact that the gtx series and more specifically the titan is about to be severely undercut by amd. Also since nvidia is being locked out of gaming consoles they won't have any synergies with games or be able to broker exclusive deals like before.

              Long story short origin received payola and nvidia is a sore loser
              How is the Titan about to be undercut by AMD? Competitors always claim that their new, yet un released, product will blow away the competition. Sometimes it does, but it most cases it's only a little faster. The problem is AMD drivers are crap. I'd rather have a slightly slower card that is stable and runs all of my games than a slightly faster card that has a plethora of software and compatibility problems.
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                Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

                Yea, the AMD drivers are infamous so I can actually see this as being an issue with support especially given my own personal account with their drivers.
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                  Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

                  Judging from what I have read and heard, the failure rates and support issues with the AMD cards is part of the issue and has been spoken about before.

                  These are direct quotes for you.

                  "Primarily the overall issues have been stability of the cards, overheating, performance, scaling and the amount of time to receive new drivers on both desktop and mobile GPUs," said Alvaro Masis, a technical support manager at Origin.

                  Original Article HERE


                  And with regard to Origin being paid, I give you this direct quote from Kevin Wasielewski himself.

                  "I pressed Origin PC CEO Kevin Wasielewski for additional comment. I asked him if Nvidia had given money to Origin PC — my questions and Kevin’s answers are below:

                  Devin Connors: Has Origin PC received any incentive, cash or otherwise, from Nvidia that led to the discontinuation of AMD GPU sales by Origin PC?

                  Kevin Wasielewski: No. In fact, I called my NVIDIA rep and told them I am dropping AMD. Not the other way around.

                  DC: Did SemiAccurate reach out to you for comment before they published their article today?

                  KW: They did not reach out to me. No calls, emails, or tweets."

                  Original Article Here.


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                    Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

                    Hey Guys,

                    The decision to take AMD GPU’s off the web was made based on support. More Specifically, support from AMD to Origin, and Origin to our customers.
                    Take their last chipset announcement for example. It was another hardware representative that informed us of the new Hawaii chipset. AMD never told us anything about it, nor shared a road map outlining its future integration. When we did get with our AMD representative, we were told that there was a new chipset launching, and we could watch the event live and get answers to our questions. We also asked for samples to start our research and development process, something that is standard in the industry for bleeding edge integrators, and we were met with resistance there. How can we ask questions at the event live, if we haven't had a chance to R & D the reference boards? When they did agree to send samples it was for 2 R9 270’s, rather than the R9 280's or 290's that we would be more likely to offer. We are performance based and focus on high end systems. Moreover, this wasn’t the first time AMD had done something like this to us. Support from AMD to Origin hasn’t been where it should be or up to par like we get from other vendors. In my opinion it's due to our size. We don’t move enough AMD product for them to worry about us. You would think they would work with us to help grow the Origin- AMD business relationship.
                    With regard to supporting Origin customers who chose AMD product, it’s been an uphill battle. ”Primarily the overall issues have been stability of the cards, overheating, performance, scaling, and the amount of time to receive new drivers on both desktop and mobile GPUs”.
                    Those 2 issues, combined with the very low percentage of Radeon cards that we sell, it didn’t make sense to continue offering AMD GPU’s. The way they treated Origin during the announcement of the Hawaii GPU showed AMD didn’t care for Origin's business relationship. In effect, AMD dropped us.
                    As far as Nvidia paying Origin to do it, that simply didn’t happen. Nvidia doesn’t make enough in sales from Origin PC to justify the allegation. The numbers aren’t there for Nvidia to come close to six figures, (or any amount) the basic math shows that. Without giving away trade secrets, Nvidia doesn't make the cards, they make the GPUs. So every time Manufacturer X sells a video card, Nvidia makes a small percentage. If you multiply that number by how many systems we sell per year, the allegations simply don't add up.
                    Conspiracy is exciting, and everyone loves controversy. The reality is, it's nothing that exciting. We feel AMD left us hanging on both sides of support so we reacted. If and when things change and we feel we can offer AMD and provide systems to our customers that will provide the best overall experience we will. We don’t have brand loyalty. We have customer loyalty.


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                    • #11
                      Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

                      Doesnt matter to me if OriginPC drops amd cards or not.
                      A business desicion like that isnt worth creating a fuss over.

                      its business that doesn't hurt anyone. people can do as they please as long as they aren't hurting people and i think that should go for companies too.


                      I've had 1 AMD GPU in my lifetime and its been a disappointment. It's a nice card, very powerful and it plays to my advantage, but the drivers are awful, it overclocks poorly.

                      The card is a mess and its because of the amd limitations and the unstable drivers.
                      it's vram voltage is locked, its core voltage isn't consistant enough to allow decent overclocking for all games. The card only benchmarks well.
                      I'd have to use a custom bios to be able to overclock it well and i don't want to do that.

                      Nvidia cards are more stable, overclock better right out of the box and the manufacturers for nvidia cards seem to have higher quality all around.

                      Which spells better news for OriginPC and better computer builds for buyers.

                      My only concern with Nvidia cards is their poorer performance at surround gaming, and high resolutions, which AMD takes the cake for. That was the only reason i went with an AMD card.

                      Nvidia's surround requirements are stricker, and their higher resolution performance doesnt stack up, even on GK110 cards.
                      But i think a few FPS and the need to get 3 identical+digital input monitors is a small price to pay for better overclocking and stability.
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                        Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

                        My word...after reading the articles about Origin and Nvidia on Semi Accurate...wow...

                        It's the perfect name for that type of article...semi-accurate with no facts just wishful thinking and innuendo.


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                          Re: Breaking News!!! OriginPC drops AMD.

                          this is what called a modern day commerce and it is getting harsh with the pass of the time so why to wonder if such a news is coming

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                            Re: Breaking News!!! OriginPC drops AMD.

                            Originally posted by Antheasmith View Post
                            this is what called a modern day commerce and it is getting harsh with the pass of the time so why to wonder if such a news is coming
                            And this is why google translate has not solved all the worlds issues. I don't have a clue what you mean...
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                              Re: Origin getting paid by Nvidia to drop AMD

                              Posting an article by Charlie from SemiAccurate as fact makes you look retarded

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